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Subject: Plenty of law, lawyers, and bullying - and little or no justice
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"... we were informed by what was described as a decent High Court Register that there were as little as five uncorrupt Judges operating in the Four Courts"
- out of a total of 40 or so judges believed to "operate" there (for who ???).
For those who might not know, the "Four Courts" is the large building complex in Dublin which houses the main "Courts of Justice" (so called) for the Republic of Ireland.
Plenty of law, plenty of lawyers, and little or no justice for many
by W. Finnerty. Sun Aug 19, 2007 17:26
Vincent Salafia (Fri Aug 17, 2007 18:31 above),  
Though you obviously have not yet had a chance to reply to my posting at Sat Aug 18, 2007 20:51 above, I would at this stage like to point out some other information I recently came across to you.
This additional information relates to a PUBLIC MEETING I attended in Northern Ireland (at Omagh, County Tyrone) last Thursday evening (i.e. August 16th 2007). 
The main purpose of this meeting apparently, was to help the "VICTIMS OF IRISH SOLICITORS" - as stated on one of the "handouts" provided at the meeting. 
Readers (outside Ireland) not familiar with the word "solicitor" can (I believe) safely take it to mean "a lawyer who advises clients on matters of law", although in practice solicitors in Ireland frequently do a limited range of other legal jobs besides, such as drawing up wills, drawing up and processing legal documents relating to home / land sales, and so on.
Last Thursday's meeting was very well attended, and the numbers present far exceeded what I personally had anticipated.
Before and after the meeting began I had the opportunity to talk informally with several of the people who attended this event which was held in a fairly large hotel (named The Silver Birch Hotel).
Without exception, ALL of the several people I spoke with appeared to be perfectly reasonable, normal, and decent people; and, all apparently have had truly shocking experiences at the hands of lawyers (of one kind or another): some of which they related during the course of this public meeting.
Invariably, and as in my own particular case, all of the very severe problems with the legal profession spoken of seem to drag on, and on, and on, and without any hope of an "effective remedy" in sight.
At one point during the meeting, one of the "Top Table" speakers pointed out that their organisation had lost a number of its members during the past 12 months through SUICIDE - as a direct result of the unresolved legal problems they were struggling with.
In so far as I could judge, both sections of the community (Protestant and Catholic) were well represented at last Thursday's meeting, and the problems aired during the meeting were very definitely related to lawyers operating in BOTH of the legal jurisdictions on the Island of Ireland: i.e. the Northern Ireland (part of the United Kingdom) jurisdiction, and the Republic of Ireland jurisdiction. (Many of those in attendance were from the Republic of Ireland, and at least one had come from as far south as Kerry.)
In the course of relating the difficulties these people claim to have experienced at the hands of lawyers, the use of words and phrases such as "ruthless", "vicious", "callous beyond belief", and "totally unbelievable" were frequently used. 
However, and without wishing in any way to distract from the above, the thing about last Thursday's meeting which REALLY concerns me just now, and the main reason I'm posting this item on Indymedia (Ireland) today, relates to another piece of text from the same "handout" (mentioned above), which reads as follows: 
"... we were informed by what was described as a decent High Court Register that there were as little as five uncorrupt Judges operating in the 'Four Courts' (Dublin)" - out of a total of 40 or so, as I was later told by one of the meeting's organisers.
I genuinely hope, FOR ALL OUR SAKES, that you and all of the other members of your legal team who helped you with your High Court constitutional challenge in early 2006 (presided over by Mr Justice Thomas Smyth), and relating directly to the constitutionality of our "National Monuments (Amendment) Act 2004", which of course remains COMPLETELY UNRESOLVED in spite of the 600,000 EUROS taxpayers (including myself) have had to fork-out to date, will take very careful note of what I am attempting to relate in all of my several postings on this particular Indymedia thread. 

As I understand it, and please correct me on this thread if I've got anything wrong, the legal team you used for your National Monuments (Amendment) Act 2004 challenge in the early part of 2006 consisted of constitutional law expert Dr Gerard Hogan SC (Senior Council / Barrister), Frank Callanan SC, and Colm MacEochaidh BL.
Last but not least, a few minutes ago I took a look at a web site address which is also provided on the same "handout" I have mentioned above (the web site address in question is ), and, indirectly through another web site address found there, I came across the following piece of text:
"As crooked as ivy climbing up an oak. Has been involved in some pretty dodgy deals with individuals whom he has since dropped as clients...things were getting too hot. Has tucked his head back into his shell in the past couple of years. But the mean streak is still there, plays dirty and is dirty. Definitely no Rumpole." (Full text at;id=11185 .) 
Though I have not looked through them carefully, there appears to be several other similar complaints - all relating to NAMED solicitors PLEASE NOTE.
Thankfully though, and I genuinely do find this VERY encouraging for the future, not all of the comments relating to individual lawyers at the "Rate Your Solicitor" Internet address above are by any means negative.
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